Posts by never a jw

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

I finished completing the tables for years 588/587 BCE (real Babylonian calendar) and 588/587 (Furulli's fabrication). Since I had disagreements with you and professor Hunger as to the dates to choose for Furulli's calendar, I included your dates, my dates and professor Hunger's dates. Since I am a neophyte in astronomy and neo-Babylonian studies, I have to defer to you and Mr. Hunger. Regardless, the results for any of Furulli's dates or around his suggested dates are abysmal. I will post the results later in the thread where you posted my first table. My calculations using your dates are very similar to your own calculations.

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

never a jw

Ethos,

After your failed attempts to make a strong argument or persuade the feeblest mind, have you considered changing Ethos to a more suitable name, Bathos perhaps. Given your unethical methods of argumentation, Ethos is definitely a misnomer.

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

never a jw

Black Sheep,

I downloaded stellarium and is cool. It seems to be better in some regards. However, for the specific purpose of finding the data for the lunar threes the Sky X seems to be child's play in comparison. Once you find the city you want to use as observation point, gettting the specific time for sunset, or sunrise, or moonset, or moonrise for any given date can be done literally in few seconds. In stellarium I still haven't figured out how to enter a BCE date, much less get any times for sunset, sunrises, etc.

Ethos,

Speaking of regurgitators of information, the quintessential example of regurgitation is heard and seen in kingdom halls all over the world every Saturday and Sunday. Wouldn't you agree? Aren't you part of that group of people who raises his/her hand only to repeat what the governing body expects you to repeat? Try thinking by yourself and deviate a little from the text; soon you will find yourself in a J.C.

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

never a jw

Ethos,

The VAT 4956 is not a red herring, it's an attempt to spare you futile debate regarding a subject that was resolved decades ago. The table that I posted is a cut and paste from an excel sheet that I created inputing data one cell at a time. If you find it hard to believe, just tell me where you live and choose any date in the near future or distant past and I will tell you the times for the moonset, moonrise, sunset and sunrise. Once I learn how to give coordinates in the sky, I could give you the position of any planet.

If you are as I am, seeing-is-believing type of guy, try getting the software (The SkyX First Light Edition) without the telescope. The program alone must be a lot cheaper than $200.00. It's very user friendly. Even an 8 year old can learn to use it with very little training

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

never a jw

Londo,

Even though VAT 4956 has been discussed ad infinitum, it doesn't hurt to have another program corroborating what many scholars and astronomy programs have confirmed: The Watchtowwer leaders lie.

Regarding my beloved JW's (relatives and friends), I would have to train them on neo-Babylonian calendars and cuneiform tablets first before they understand the significance of the great matches for 568/567 BCE and the utterly bad "matches" for Furulli's 588/587 BCE

Here's a part of my research, only the good matches. Scroll to the right with the lower bar to see the entire table

37th year of Nabuchadnezzar or Julian Year 568/567 BC, beginning April 23, 568 (more precisely April 22 after sunset) and ending April 12, 567 BC at sunset

Month

Day

First Day

Julian

Interval

Measured

Begin

End

Interval

Degrees

Differ

Abs.

Judgement

Difference

(Babyl.)

Julian

Date

VAT 4956

Sky X

(decimal)

ence

Diff

Call

(minutes)

I

14

23-Apr

May 6, 568

SR-MS

4

5:13:42

5:30:08

0:16:26

4.11

0.11

Excellent

0.43

min.

II

26

23-May

June 17, 568

MR-SR

23

3:17:06

4:46:32

1:29:26

22.26

-0.74

0.74

Excellent

2.97

min.

III

1

21-Jun

June 20, 568

SS-MS

20

7:08:52

8:36:47

1:27:55

21.98

1.98

Good

7.92

min.

III

15

21-Jun

July 5, 568

SR-MS

7.5

4:49:11

5:23:21

0:34:10

8.54

1.04

Very good

4.17

min.

XI

1

13-Feb

Feb 12, 567

SS-MS

14.5

5:43:23

6:52:59

1:09:36

17.40

2.90

Acceptable

11.60

min.

XII

1

15-Mar

March 14, 567

SS-MS

25

6:06:26

7:49:07

1:42:41

25.67

0.67

Excellent

2.68

min.

XII

12

15-Mar

March 26, 567

SR-MS

1.5

6:08:52

6:12:00

0:03:08

0.75

-0.75

0.75

Excellent

3.00

min.

Average difference

0.74

1.17

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

never a jw

Ethos,

Save time. Stop trying to interpret a book that was written thousands of years ago and likely has been subject to modifications, translations error, and interpretation errors. The Bible is ambiguous and contains many lacunas, especially in the neo-Babylonian period. Use unbias judges, use Mathematics and Astronomy to solve the problem of the year 607/587 BCE. I just received my telescope from Costco.com. (Nextstar 102 GT) Much to my surprise it came with a program that easily allows me to find the position of the moon and the Sun at any time anywhere in the world. I decided to corroborate the conclusions of many scholars regarding the year 568/567 BCE being the 37th year of Nabuchdnezzar. When I use years 568/567 BCE as the 37th year of Nabuchadnezzar, as indicated in VAT 4956, I have been able to match seven lunar threes observations recoded in the tablet. The matches are great (4 excellent, one very good, one good, one acceptable) . When you use the years 588/587 BCE as the 37th year of Nabuchadnezzar it is an utter failure (two are impossible, two are very bad, one good and two acceptable. Things get worse if you use the calendar suggested by Furulli (two "matches" are bad and five very bad)

If 568/567 was the 37th year of Nabu, then 587/586 was his 18th year. According to Jeremiah 32:1-2 that was the year when Jerusalem was taken and destroyed by the Babylonians.

Criteria: "Excellent" is under three minute difference between software and recorded observation in VAT4956, "Very good" is under six, "good" is under nine, "acceptable" is under 12 minutes, "bad" is between 12 and 20 min, "very bad" is over 20 minutes.

Ethos: Buy your telescope, stick the CD program (The Sky / First light edition) in your computer and enjoy the light of truth. It will cost you about $200.00 but it will liberate you from a life of slavery to a master who has lied to you and used you to provide free labor.

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Do-Overs...What if you could have just one....What would it be? Why?

by Terry in

jw
friends

as we grow older and have more life experience we have an advantage in looking at our life as a whole.. we can see things from more than one perspective.

we can be wiser as our emotions cool.

hindsight gives us the power to judge outcomes.. for example, i was thinking about a 20 year chunk of my life.

never a jw

I wish I had been more interested in researching JW's faith at the time I agreed to have my wife take my two children to those indoctrinating meetings sixteen years ago. Had I done that research, it's unlikely that my young daughter would be one of the baptized slaves of the governing body and I wouldn't have such a hard time erasing the JW robotic program from my unbaptized younger son. However, it's this strong desire to remove the program from my children's brain that has led me in the path of researching some fascinating subjects such as neo-Babylonian history, astronomy and archeology.

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DAMN

by never a jw in

in the last six months i have learned so much about jw's from the "apostate" books and web sites such as jwfacts and this great site.

ever since i started my research on jw's three adjectives to describe the wts leadership came to mind: deceptive, arrogant and manipulative.

i just noticed today that the first letters create the acronym dam.

never a jw

In the last six months I have learned so much about JW's from the "apostate" books and web sites such as JWfacts and this great site. Ever since I started my research on JW's three adjectives to describe the WTS leadership came to mind: DECEPTIVE, ARROGANT and MANIPULATIVE. I just noticed today that the first letters create the acronym DAM. It seems that I just need the letter N to form DAMN. I know the following request is on the trivial side but I would appreciate if some of you can provide adjectives or nouns that describe the leadership of the WTS and also start with the letter N... "Nitwits" fits well but not good enough.